PieFed.WorldCan a Republican explain this to me?
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Bonus points if you can explain it without racism
Unreasonable demands, bro.
I mean, OP did leave religious bigotry on the table, so it's not like they rug-pulled the Republicans entire platform.
And remember that although the actress was 24, the character was ostensibly Borat's 16-year-old daughter, which they told Giuliani before this scene.
I’m guessing by your description this is a sex scene?
The borat actor did a movie where he trolls politicians from both sides. This was julliani thinking he was about to have sex.
Berni Sanders was also trolled. Borat actor (Sasha Cohen?) Stayed in character and kept throwing nonsensical math at him.
Berni said something like "that's not how math works". He tried to explain things but at some point was looking off camera for an explanation about why he was talking to an idiot (Sasha)
He told Bernie "to solve poverty, we should put the 99% of the poorer people into the richest 1%" (don't ask, it makes no sense)
And Bernie tried to explain calmly it's not how percentages work
Borat 2 is an absolute masterpiece
That texting scene is so fucking funny.
She’s too old for him!
:<
Muslim=Terrorist... that's what he means
Yeah I don't think we can even call it a dog whistle anymore, it's pretty damn audible
Free Gaza.
Vote for Trump to teach Harris a lesson.
Stupidest path of logic I ever heard of
You’re right. Which is why literally nobody thinks that way… unless they’re a strawman in genocide apologia.
Clearly you weren't here during the election, they were in every comment section.
It's racism from a septuagenarian that should be currently dying in a state prison.
Zohran Mamdani plans to do 9/11: Part 2 by giving terrorists access to the bus and train system free of charge and allowing far left antifa to live in rent controlled units with neighborhood public grocery stores.
Why would they need that? Antifa already live rent free in their heads.
Utopia. Can I stay there too or do I have to be in some club?
Whomever explains it shows the racism in the post.
For those who don't get the symbolism, because hes Muslim, they are being racist and saying hes the same as the 9/11 terrorists
While at the same time taking bookings from those running the country that committed the actual terrorism ...
NY forgot Rudy Gouliani was still alive and was relevant once. Hopefully he's dead soon and we can finally forget that spray on hair dripper.
What’s so bizarre is that on the actual day of 9/11 he was pretty great at promoting stability and calm in the midst of chaos. I remember watching him and thinking, well, he’s doing pretty good for . . everything. Really. It’s hard to imagine.
And then, slowly at first, then almost overnight he became the arrogant idiot fascist licking drunk we all wish was in prison.
What the fuck are you talking about, it was like 3 days after the incident he said he needs to be mayor forever... or some shit like that. Power hungry piece of slime.
Well yeah that was three days later.
Mental capacity only declines after your 40's. Rudy has had 20 years of decay and syphilis eating his brain away.
The biggest contributor to the US downfall has been having such elderly representation, these dinosaurs barely know where they are much less what they're voting on.
They only know what their billionaire handlers tell them and their own families are more than happy to wheel their dying asses around to milk every last drop out of them.
He was also the guy who moved the terrorism response center to right next to the towers despite the towers already having been the target of terrorism and against the advice of advisors.
New York forgor 💀
o no
Never saw this one before. Who's person in left?
Rudy in drag
Great, I instinctively gouged my eyes out and now Trump sniffing Rudy's neck while in drag is the last thing I'll ever see
That's just how the noo- er, cookie crumbles, sometimes.
The politicians forgot to pay the medical bills for the first responders that got exposed to the toxic debris. That's all I remember
I remember they were in charge of the FBI and CIA and TSA and none of them saw it coming.
My dude you're asking Republicans to never even open their mouths or type out a word ever again.
Its like telling people to do math without numbers, letters or standard notations
Buddy we forgot a long time ago. Trump pals around with the people who were actually responsible for it all the time, they gave him some stupid orb and his son in law billions of dollars. I guess that doesn't matter though.
Oh, this has nothing to do with racism. He just wanted to remind everyone in case they forgot. This is a well intentioned, pure hearted reminder. No racism here! I mean, you would have to be really stupid to think that all Muslims are terrorists, and he is not stupid! He is really smart actually! Maybe he should do the IQ test with Trump to show the world how smart he is!
You forgor to be racist 💀
Remembered to vote though
If you're still in line, stay in line.
Cuomo can still win this
Only if religious animosity doesn't count as racism. Which it probably shouldn't.
Cause they who be hittin the towers sure had some religious animosity.
Seriously though. Giuliani can go and cry at a 4 seasons or something. Fuck him.
Ironically, the destruction of the twin towers were good days for Rudy.
Uh, Rudy Giuliani is also, like Trump, seriously physically ill, has pudding for brains, and while he's not a convicted felon yet, there's a good chance he'll actually die during the legal proceedings.
He is... probably the most disgraced former mayor of New York City ... in... history?
Yeah, he's a clown person making angry clown noises as the light slowly fades.
I have another question. As a non-American old enough to remember 9/11, the press in my country portrayed him at that time as a true leader for the city and its people. The next thing I heard from him was that weird press conference with the hair dye and all.
The question is, was his role during 9/11 really positive and time went crazy , or was it always like this and the press lied/got wrong about the situation?
Mr Giuliani found himself in a stressful spot on 9/11 day, and he didn't mess it up. It erased a lot of negative sentiment he'd built up over the years through bad decisions and such.
And then he went back to bad decisions and then past even that. But for one day he did everything competently, and it was necessary.
Thanks for the clarification. I guess that day was such a crazy situation that he didn't have time to think about how to ruin it.
That was hair dye? I thought that was just the evil leaking out.
Worse than mayor Wood who wanted to secede at the start of the civil war?
Ok maybe . . .
o no i forgor 💀
Pretty sure we bullied most of them off of lemmy
I'd tell you, but I forgot 🤷
Oh it does? Break harder asshole.
Many voters weren't even born yet when the towers fell.
I would say MAGA forgot...but not about 9/11. They forgot about what US veterans fought for in WW2. That's where the phrase "never forget" originally came from.
I'm not Republican but I can - technically - explain it without racism. The word Muslim can mean adherents of Islam and it can also mean a specific ethnic group from what used to be Yugoslavia. Being anti-Islam would make you anti-Muslim (the religion) but not anti-Muslim (the ethnic group) although most ethnic Muslims are also religious Muslims.
The attack on the world trade center was carried out by an extremist Islamic group. If you subscribe to a broad scope of hate, then you would blame all Muslims (religion) for the attack. Zohran Mamdani is Muslim (religion) but not Muslim (ethnicity). If you hate him because of his religion, that by itself is not racism.
I would except that a Venn diagram of people who hate Mamdani because of his religion and people who hate him for racist reasons is virtually a circle, but there is room for a non-racist explanation of this propaganda.
drawing this differentiation while the same ppl who definitely arent racist against muslims claim criticism of israel is antisemitism is pointless tho
That feels like a different but related topic.
"I don't hate this ethnic group, just the religion with which they are strongly associated."
and
"You can't hate that country, that's the same as hating this ethnic group with which it is strongly associated."
sure do feel like the same idea. Hypocrisy is one of the most difficult beasts to slay within yourself. It doesn't seem like racists are really worried about that, though. To start from a foundation of thinking one ethnic group is superior to another, you have to be comfortable accepting arguments from emotion. There's no way to logic someone - even yourself - out of a position that they didn't arrive at by logic in the first place.
Muslim ethnicity, (x) doubt.
I mean, I'm not an expert. My source is just Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims_(ethnic_group)
It breaks my heart that Giuliani is still alive, I figured his hair dye would have dripped and drained right into his bloodstream! Haha!
Motherfucker, you forgot! Go back to your hole.
Are you just playing dumb? Cuz because Muslims, obviously.
Some kind of resurrection of ancient evil. See how the guy is coming out of the top of the tower on the right? The ritual is complete. You forgot the evil that was locked away inside the two towers.
Perl Harbor and Nazi germany:
USA you forgot to shoot nazis, fashists and imperialists (yes eventhough you are it yourself)
More than J6?
Senility.
Giuliani became loved because a terrorist attack. Thats it. Thats his claim to fame. Had he not been mayor during this time he would have faded into death and nothingness. Now his legacy is even more tainted because trump sold him out.
In my opinion, had mamdani been mayor in 2000 i believe 9/11 would have never happened/s
New mayor is Muslim. Rudy saying they forgot....
Giuliani reminding everyone he still exists.
No. They cannot
This isn't about race in the pseudo biological sense but about culture and ethnicity so it's technically not racism (at least not in its original sense, only in its modern sense).
Checkmate atheist
Huh so he already looked like a walking mummy even back then?
...bad taste, but hey. trump...
I'm not a Republican. I like Mamdani,I would have voted for him if I were living in NYC. I don't actually think this tweet on Xitter is inherently racist.
Most people believe 9/11 was caused by radical Muslim jihadists hijacking planes and slamming them into buildings. Radical Muslim jihad still exists. It is not like there are zero radical Muslims out there who want to destroy Western society, subjugate women, kill all homosexuals, kill all atheists, and institute Sharia law. That is not actually a made up trope of the greedy right to suppress the lower classes, that is in fact reality. There are still women not allowed to learn math in some some countries.
The fear Gulianai has, which I do not think is irrational to consider, is that by voting for a liberal Muslim, it's going to lead to policies that make it easier for radical jihadists to take root in America, that somehow a liberal Muslim mayor may embolden radical Muslims with extremist views or make it easier for radicals to take root within more insular Muslim communities in NYC, even if it's just a result of a cultural shift in which people do not fear radical jihadists. (This is not my opinion of what will happen!) I do not believe this view is inherently racist or Islamaphobic. I don't think it's wrong to have conversations about this, as long as it's done while realizing that many NYC Muslims are incredibly nice good people who support women's education, LGBT+ rights, and liberal values.
It would also be understandable if someone viewed this xitter post as Islamaphobic and racist and disagreed.
Mamdani is the political polar opposite of radical jihadists. Radical jihadists are regressive. Mamdani is incredibly progressive. Radical jihadists have far more in common with Donald Trump than they do with Zohran Mamdani. Bernie Sanders has very similar policies to Mamdani, yet no one has ever claimed his policies would "make it easier for radical jihadists to take root in America"
The only thing jihadists have in common with Mamdani is generally skin color and that they're Muslim
Put whatever label you want on it, but this perception that you, Giuliani, and others push is based on nothing other than his skin color and religion
If a liberal white Christian got elected, and more Christians felt comfortable living in an area, and as a result some people were concerned there could be more extremist groups like Proud Boys or MAGA, I don't think it would be an irrational fear. You are assuming that I think a liberal has a lot in common with a radical. Instead, I think radicals may feel more comfortable when someone of their own race or religion is in charge, even if that person is radically politically different.
Also, I didn't publish that tweet, I'm a liberal, I am just trying to explain his views. There are also other views of Republicans that I disagree with that I don't think are inherently irrational to just discuss, even if the viewpoint is not correct. For example, I am pro-choice when it comes to abortion, but I don't think it's irrational for Republicans to merely discuss whether abortion could involve fetal pain that is cruel.
This is absolutely irrational and islamophobic lol what the actual fuck are you talking about
As an LGBT person, I am very scared of any religion that has as part of their religious laws that people like me should be put to death. I am scared of Christianity, I am scared of Islam, all of it scares me. Perhaps that makes me Islamaphobic. Mamdani is a good person and he supports diversity and genuinely cares about people. He is not homophobic, he supports LGBT people, and if every Muslim were like him, I would not be scared of Islam at all.
Accepting Muslims can lead to negative impacts on women's rights and LGBT rights. This is not speculation. One example is Canada: Canada had a very relaxed and liberal policy towards bringing in Muslim immigrants. Eventually, some of these Muslims started protesting, along with other religious conservatives, against Trans people. Here is an article about this if you don't believe me:
https://thepostmillennial.com/canadian-muslims-to-stage-million-person-march-to-protest-against-trudeau-liberals-push-for-lgbtq-indoctrination-in-schools
So, I don't think it's Islamaphobic to believe that more acceptance of Muslims can lead to political movements by Muslims that are more conservative. The most conservative Muslim movement would be Sharia law, in which women can't read or learn math or do anything and in which someone like me would be stoned to death. To say it's irrational to be concerned about conservative Muslim movements taking root in areas that make Muslims comfortable, when Canada brought in many many Muslims who then protested against LGBT people, is ignoring reality.
You can blame the USA for promoting and paying for wahabism and then you smear all Muslims based on western manipution. For thousands of years the Muslim world was the center of human rights, education and culture and will be again. It is absolutely Islamophobic to claim that just being Muslim makes people conservative. There are queer Muslims too like any other culture, Wazina Zondon comes to mind maybe take a look at what they have to say about it instead of me speaking for them.
Some of your historical points are beyond my historical knowledge. I don't think being Muslim makes people conservative. There are liberal Muslims, and LGBT Muslims. However, my understanding of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam is that ALL three religions say in their religious books that LGBT people should be killed. As a result, anything that could make conservative or radical religious people more comfortable with asserting their views scares me because it could involve death to me. The fact that so many Muslims in Canada protested against Trans people after arriving in Canada (which had very liberal views towards Trans people) underscores that my fears aren't completely irrational. The fact that some Muslim countries do not allow women to learn math and no other countries do this is a factual reality and it is something I find concerning.
I also am not trying to smear all Muslims. Mamdani seems like a great person, I am optimistic he'll be a great mayor. I do not think it is inherently racist or Islamophobic to be aware of radicalism and the dangers of it, even if it's offensive, and I am not trying to say that it's certain that somehow Mamdani will cause radical people to become comfortable in the area. That is not my view, I am interpreting an insensitive and offensive Twitter post and trying to explain that person's possible perspective and saying I don't think it's irrational or Islamophobic just to discuss it.
I'm sorry if my views are hurtful or offensive. I am not trying to be some conservative who enjoys hurting people's feelings and I realize this is an inherently sensitive topic and that the twitter post, which I didn't post, was hurtful. To a large extent, almost everyone in New York is very liberal and accepting and Mandami probably won't change that or lead to an increase in radicalism; probably the only thing that will happen is it will be easier for poor people to ride the bus and life will improve for people who live there. I was just trying to explain my take on a conservative's perspective, and sort of wish I hadn't, because it is a distraction from the main thing, which is that a really nice liberal person won and is going to make life better for the poorest and most vulnerable in the area. I am really not looking to be a person making liberal Muslims feel bad, especially when Mandami winning is a great thing for everyone.
When two persons/groups choose to use the same label, it becomes harder for anyone external to differentiate them easily.
Calling the people that confuse the two as "irrational" and bigoted isn't going to clarify anything, and will likely cause them to assume you are not allied with them.
Dismissing people who have concerns that those confusions might be used by bad actors is just gross naivete.
But, certainly, restricting the political power (or human rights) of a particular based on their chosen labels--even if those labels are confusing--when they espouse tolerant views and act in tolerant ways IS bigoted.
The closest analog I can some up with is "Catholic". If you just use that label, I think I am justified in assuming you do not value bodily autonomy (particular of women), and are therefore not a tolerant member of society. I'd certainly welcome a "Catholic" that makes it clear they reject intolerant Catholic dogma, but the existence of tolerant "Catholic"s does make it easier for intolerant Catholics to acquire and use political power. Of course, "Muslim" and "Islam" don't come with quite as formal an organization or consistent a dogma, so it's even more confusing.
Bro there are 2 billion Muslims in the world. They span all sorts of different beliefs, value systems and thoughts. To think all Muslims are terrorists or even conservative and to group them all with negative connotations is literally what Islamophobia is. It makes as much sense as me believing all American's are mass shooters.
Restricting the political power (ability to run in, and win elections) of someone because they are Muslim is Islamophobic. So, I'd say this tweet is Islamophobic, since it seems to be advocating for that action.
I understand the fear of violence from people that justify their violence in religion, particularly (but not exclusively) Islam. But, we have to be very careful with restricting political power based on mere label-sharing.
It's a good point.
Never remember! Always forget!