Firefox is now ahead of Safari in desktop browser market share, according to Statcounter.

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Firefox is now ahead of Safari in desktop browser market share, according to Statcounter.

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Statcounter is worse than a guess. There are numerous articles, but here’s a good one: Statcounter claims millions of people stopped using iphones and switched to Windows 7

This looks so fun.



you mean firefox and its forks are


I have to run Firefox for stuff that is broken either in Mullvad (which is a lot), or also LibreWolf.

Firefox is just as bullshit as Chrome is. Why the hell do I get notifications about “select your AI chatbot to integrate into Firefox”, and most importantly - why are there literal adds on my home screen? And in the most scummy way possible - it shows you your most used websites on the front page.

And after a few seconds, it shifts the icons around and replaces the first few icons with “sponsored” bullshit. I’ve clicked on those more than once, because I was aiming for an icon that was just there. Fuck this bullshit.

Thank god for Librewolf keeping the Firefox engine alive, so we have an alternative. I love the engine and am really glad that there is an alternative for Chromium, don’t get me wrong. But I hate what Mozzilla is doing, they had such a fall from grace.


The one I like to watch is Mozilla’s own count of monthly active users. Once every year or two I’ll remember to check it. This time, it’s at least temporarily broken out of its years-long downtrend! The total number of Firefox users (not its market share) is up by 2% over 52 weeks as of the latest data point.


I’m surprised opera is higher than brave. I’ve seen others using brave and never opera

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They are throwing money at advertising, and since Opera is spyware they recuperate that money quickly.



Sorry, I’m using Safari. I’m on a Mac, too, so I have Firefox. And I still say Firefox is my favourite browser. However, Firefox sucks on Lemmy. I don’t know why. First issue, dbzer0 has this background that Firefox scrolls past as you scroll down. Every other browser lets the background stay static. Firefox does not.

Also, Firefox talking big about privacy but keeping the VPN service from power users (though, I’m not sure how they can tell) rubs me the wrong way. I get that they want more average users when it’s a beta, but they’ve said they’ve rolled it out to everyone, but they’re straight up lying about that. I do get that it’s only in certain regions. I should not fail that check (though, it is possible an external VPN placed me outside those markets when it checked me for eligibility). That should be something I can fix. At the end of the day, I feel like Firefox only wants to protect some users and not all. And I’m not in the “in” crowd with them, despite having used it since it was called Firebird. It’s still my favourite browser, but Mozilla has also been kinda bullshit lately (not just this).

I’m thinking of checking out one of the privacy-focused forks, and I’m wondering if/hoping that adds to Firefox’s market share.

Note that on iPhone, it doesn’t matter what browser you use, it’s all Safari as far as anyone counting is concerned, because every browser must use Safari on the back end. So it’s only a skin. And another way Firefox is some bullshit, they don’t bundle the ad blocker. Brave does that, but I do not want to be a Brave user. I don’t like Brave, never have. DuckDuckGo can bypass YouTube ads in their browser. Brave and DDG both use Safari on the back end on iOS because they have to and they can still block ads so what’s Mozilla’s excuse? I honestly don’t think they care about the users anymore. I think they’ve lost the plot. And yet, on PC, on Mac, on Android, I prefer their browser. Just, not for Lemmy. Until they fix their shit. And static backgrounds are not a new feature on the web. In fact it is a very old feature. My work Intranet even uses one, and Firefox (what I use at work, on Windows 11) doesn’t respect it there, either. There’s no excuse for ignoring such an old web standard.

Note that on iPhone, it doesn’t matter what browser you use, it’s all Safari as far as anyone counting is concerned, because every browser must use Safari on the back end. So it’s only a skin

I keep hearing this and yes, other browsers are forced to use WebKit to render websites. However, other browsers can build a frame around the renderengine and they do - but Firefox sux big time on iOS. Just the fact that you can’t rearrange the shortcuts on the Start Page is such a big indicator of how bad Firefox on iOS is. If Firefox is just a “skin” of Safari, how come it is so much worse than Safari?

I’m using Vivaldi everywhere, instead of Firefox on desktop and mobile because Firefox on mobile is so incompatible with how I use a browser. If Mozilla want to add more users they should make the browser appealing on every OS they run on.

Rant off….


First issue, dbzer0 has this background that Firefox scrolls past as you scroll down. Every other browser lets the background stay static. Firefox does not.

Seems like this is a bug with Firefox on mobile.

Works as expected on desktop, even when in Responsive Design Mode (Ctrl+Shift+M) and using a phone form factor (landscape and portrait seemingly doesn’t matter).

Not sure what’s going on on the mobile version of Firefox there. Bit odd. Maybe there’s a bug report somewhere.

I found that it does scroll past the background, but there’s something that happens some ways down the page that makes the background get covered from the bottom and up.

This is evident when scrolling down in landscape mode.

I have mobile Firefox, but I meant Firefox for desktop doesn’t respect the static backgrounds. On macOS or Windows.

Well, seems to work on Firefox and Chromium desktop for me but not Firefox mobile. Opposite of your experience?

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We are getting there https://shivankaul.com/blog/firefox-bundles-adblock-rust. Plus on Android we’ve been able to use extensions for years, and not just the tiny curated list. Maybe they will bring that over too?



It being below Edge is a tough pill to swallow

power of default

And consider how many enterprise PCs only use Edge because of that.

Chrome used to be the default browser on the PCs where I work, but they switched to Edge a few years ago because “It’s the same as Chrome under the hood, so it’s easier to just remove Chrome and manage one less application.”



I mean, edge is the best tool for downloading Firefox (on windows anyway).



Actually, this is scary, as it suggests Safari is shrinking.

Safari was really good at displacing Chrome on Macs. I try to get my family to use it (or a Safari fork like Orion) on theirs, but apparently all those “switch to Chrome” pop ups are working :(


I don’t want Chrome to be come the actual web standard. That’s straight up dystopian, as it gives Google absolute control over what’s left of the web.

I don’t want Chrome to be come the actual web standard

Is it not already what with how many browsers are Chromium based?

Chromium can’t do absolutely anything they want though. Anything drastic would break compatibility with Safari and FF.

…But if they do, if they actually get effectively 100% market share, think about it:

  • They could close Chromium’s source, and kill off 3rd party forks as a “security risk.”

  • They could literally disable adblocking, not just “softly” like the Manifest V3 switch did.

  • Similarly, they could implement custom ad and tracking APIs that are effectively unblockable.

  • They could arbitrarily block web pages, or redirect them, purely for Alphabet’s interests.

  • They could mandate that sites they use have to use Chrome, to shut out other browser efforts.

  • They could encourage similar behavior from pages depending on Google ad revenue.

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If all this sounds tin foil hat-ish (and I know it does), consider Google’s past behavior over the decade.

…Is it that different from what they’ve already been doing? To virtually no public pushback?

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And this is why Safari and FF are so important. As long as they exist, that cant happen, but they’re getting dangerously close to market irrelevance.




5% is such a dismal number. Theres no way Mozilla is sustainable. I say that with a sad face. I mostly use Firefox.


I guess Safari is becoming like the ol’ IE where you only use it once, to download Firefox when you first turn on your Apple device.


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